Rapid Legionella Detection Saves Lives
HC3 – The French Connection: Revolutionizing Legionella Detection
Join host John Brocas and special guest Robert McNeely CIH as they take you behind the scenes of a breakthrough in rapid Legionella detection that’s shaking up the industry. Fresh from an eye-opening trip to Marseille, Robert McNeely CIH shares his firsthand experience training with the passionate team at Diamidex—the masterminds behind the MICA Advanced system.
If you think AI is only about tech buzzwords, think again! Discover how this cutting-edge system harnesses artificial intelligence and advanced optics to rapidly detect Legionella and other harmful microbes in record time—potentially saving lives and transforming lab practices worldwide. From foolproof training and hands-on innovation to the excitement of seeing science in action, this episode dives into the heart of the French team's mission, their visionary approach, and what it means for public health, commercial labs, and even the insurance industry.
Are you a lab manager, healthcare professional, consultant, or just a science enthusiast? Whether you’re worried about outbreaks or curious about the future of microbiology, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. Get the inside scoop on the passion driving the revolution, the game-changing accuracy, and how you can get involved.
Tune in to HC3 – The French Connection and discover why the future of pathogen detection is closer—and more exciting—than you think!
Takeaways:
- The MICA system significantly enhances the detection of Legionella and other pathogens, streamlining the testing process remarkably.
- Training for the MICA system is straightforward, requiring only basic familiarity with laboratory procedures and simple mathematics.
- The integration of AI into the MICA system allows for rapid identification and analysis of pathogens, reducing turnaround time significantly.
- The potential for the MICA system to save lives is substantial, particularly in outbreak scenarios where quick identification is crucial.
- During training in France, the simplicity and effectiveness of the MICA system were demonstrated, showcasing its user-friendly design and operation.
- Laboratories adopting the MICA system can expect improved accuracy and reliability in results, which is vital in public health and safety contexts.
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Transcript
And what exactly do you understand that the AI is doing, from its, its implementation to detecting that pathogen?
Speaker B:So what it's done, they've taught the machine.
Speaker B:They basically taught the machine to recognize what Legionella with the specific fluorescence, would look at, look like at 48 hours.
Speaker A:Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker A:This is John here from HC3.
Speaker A:And tonight I have an exciting episode, really.
Speaker A:It's more and it's not really technical, but we're getting French.
Speaker A:So you think about French onion, French soup, think about French cuisine, everything.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:We're not going to talk about any of them.
Speaker A:We're actually talking about Legionella.
Speaker A:Our guest tonight is Robert McNeely, who is the operation director and I would say savant within the H3 organization, who's just come back from Paris, I believe, or somewhere in France anyway, from Marseille.
Speaker A:So from Marseille, and we're going to catch up and talk a little bit about what he was doing over there and what this means for rapid Legionella detection and how he's going to be instrumental in teaching everybody out there who uses the, the MICA system.
Speaker A:Rob, welcome back for another conversation, my friend.
Speaker A:How are you?
Speaker B:Thank you, Shaka.
Speaker B:I appreciate to be back.
Speaker B:And I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker B:You know, it was a good time in France.
Speaker B:Dymadex, who was the manufacturer of, of Mic advance, had us out for training and, and, you know, showing us how they came up with everything.
Speaker B:And it was a great time.
Speaker B:It was a great time.
Speaker B:I learned a lot, met a lot of great, just amazing people at Diamondex.
Speaker B:It was, it was a good time.
Speaker A:It must have been interesting for you, Rob, because, I mean, when you think about it, there's been such a slowdown of dealing with Legionella, certainly here in the US and we've had, you know, so many setbacks and things, and it takes quite a while while to detect, you know, to send in stuff to the lab to get everything detected.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden there's this breakthrough that we've been talking about, and now HC3 spearheading the MICA system in the U.S. but I guess that it's.
Speaker A:It must have been quite intriguing for you to go over to Marseille and to really get really into the nitty gritty of it, like how it came around and what did the training actually entail for you and, and was there any, like, big aha moments that you, you, you figured out there or, or some kind of wow, I didn't realize that that would.
Speaker A:And how easy it was to implement?
Speaker B:I Think the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The training really did show that, you know, it's really not that complex, you know, because this is the great thing about the.
Speaker B:The Mica Advanced system is that can do multiple solutions, so it can do Legionella, it can do E. Coli, it can do pseudomonas and.
Speaker B:And even other organisms, and each one's a little bit different.
Speaker B:But none of it's just, you know, where you're going to spend weeks and weeks and weeks of training and still kind of be suspect on whether you're doing it right.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:They really made this a really simple system.
Speaker B:And what was good and great, actually about being there is they showed me, even from when they're putting it together, how they're putting this machine, all the science that went behind this.
Speaker B:And I got to meet all the people that were behind this.
Speaker B:I may have a ton of PhDs behind this thing.
Speaker B:Just really young, actually, a lot of young, really smart people that they put into this and came up with a great design.
Speaker B:I mean, it's.
Speaker B:It is an awesome system.
Speaker B:And you could tell they put a huge amount of thought and effort into this.
Speaker B:And so that's one thing that I really learned while I was there, is just how much they put into this, the effort that they put into this.
Speaker B:I mean, they.
Speaker B:There was nothing that they didn't leave unturned, whether it be with.
Speaker B:With worrying about organisms that might, you know, get false positives and.
Speaker B:And so on.
Speaker B:I mean, they just.
Speaker B:They really did their homework.
Speaker B:So it was a great.
Speaker B:It was a great experience being there, really seeing.
Speaker B:I even got seen putting the machines together.
Speaker B:I got to talk to the people behind the AI behind the opticals, and you could see that, you know, they were very excited about what, you know, they were doing.
Speaker B:So they brought a team together that put together an amazing system.
Speaker A:Joe, I.
Speaker A:As you're telling me this, I can feel your excitement for it as well, you know, and I kind of.
Speaker A:I get this vision of you, you know, Charlie.
Speaker A:Charlie in the chocolate factory, you know, when you get into that point where you see how.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:In awe of all the sweets and everything that's there.
Speaker A:So I want to jump.
Speaker A:You mentioned something that I want to jump back at, because we've been spearheading this is rapid Legionella detection.
Speaker A:You know, rapid Legionella testing.
Speaker A:But I think it's good to highlight the fact that you mentioned that it doesn't just detect Legionella.
Speaker A:And so when people are getting trained on this or implementing this into their organizations, it's even more it's like a twofer, but it's getting more because it detects a lot more.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's, and each year it's detecting more and more.
Speaker B:So beginning of next year they're, they have, they're going to have a solution for it to be able to do total call forms.
Speaker B:So, you know, they're just, they're all constantly looking and they're doing a lot of research.
Speaker B:I mean they, you know, usually going to labs, you see some people, you know, they're just, they're kind of sitting back, just doing their own thing, you know, and just, you know, maybe doing a little bit of work here and there.
Speaker B:No, these people, I mean they're, they're really, they're really putting the effort in.
Speaker B:They, they see something.
Speaker B:See, this is the thing is like, this is what I really noticed is that they really like what they're doing and, and they're really into it.
Speaker B:They, they, they know they're doing something that is making a difference or they're producing something that is revolutionary.
Speaker B:So they're, you can see that they're excited about it and make me excited about it.
Speaker A:And you can tell by, you can tell that just for your passion about it and being over and spending time there with the guys and I think it's important also to distinguish.
Speaker A:And you've hit the nail on the head there.
Speaker A:Is that they're excited about it.
Speaker A:To me, this is, it feels like what you're telling me is this is not a job for them.
Speaker A:This is a mission and this is a passion.
Speaker A:Do you think then did you see that from the highest level to the lowest.
Speaker A:I mean, not that I want to say there's a high and a low level.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, what you're saying is absolutely.
Speaker B:There was not a person there that I was like, oh, this is just a humdrum job.
Speaker B:They just, they're not really that into this.
Speaker B:You know, they're just, this is just something that they're just passing a time where they're just collecting a check.
Speaker B:The highest, you know, Sam, the CEO, he, he's excited about it.
Speaker B:As a person who's a technician.
Speaker B:You can see they're all, I mean it was, they're very close knit bunch of people that they, they've got from all over the world even they actually have people from the us, from Greece that they pulled together to make sure that the stuff that they're putting on, they, and I think they also look at.
Speaker B:Do you have a passion for this?
Speaker B:I don't know if Sam had if that was part of his hiring practice.
Speaker B:But if not, then it was just, you know, happenstance and just pure luck that he had gotten a bunch of good people.
Speaker B:The person who heads off for the Legionella fanny, just super knowledgeable and this is a great thing, is that they.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:I could not stump them with a question.
Speaker B:I couldn't, you know, and I know a decent amount about microbiology, about Legionella.
Speaker A:Yeah, you do.
Speaker B:Could.
Speaker B:And even about, you know.
Speaker A:Well, I often mention, I often mention to people that you're the kind of nerd of the office.
Speaker A:Like you're kind of nerd out on this stuff, don't you?
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I geek out on this stuff and you know, so does David.
Speaker B:That's why, you know, sometimes you get me and, and David together and we just go nuts on this stuff and we'll sit there for an hour and sometimes I wish, oh, wow, we should have had this recorded because it would have been good stuff.
Speaker B:When we geek out on it, I mean, for some people it's just like, okay there, that's just too much.
Speaker B:But for, for us, we really like it because we see this is the thing to talk about this is that we see this being something that hasn't happened in this industry in a while, especially dealing with water pathogens.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Something that is, that is going, I foresee, going to replace the quote, gold standard eventually.
Speaker B:I mean that you're going to be able to get results.
Speaker B:And the time, this is really what it is in the time that will allow you to react and to react properly.
Speaker A:I think that's remarkable.
Speaker A:You're talking 40 hour turnaround.
Speaker A:A very quick turnaround.
Speaker A:Yeah, very quick.
Speaker B:Everything's half.
Speaker B:Half time.
Speaker B:At least half.
Speaker B:At least half the time.
Speaker B:For all the solutions and especially The Legionella, having 24, I mean, have 48 hours to get results is remarkable.
Speaker A:Do you think, Rob, that this is potential.
Speaker A:I know we mentioned the word game changing and revolutionary, as you've said, but do you also think that this has the potential to be life saving?
Speaker A:And that's a bit of gray area to say.
Speaker A:I understand that, but you can't help.
Speaker B:To say that because.
Speaker B:No, you know, especially if there's outbreaks or something, you're trying to find the outbreak, the source of the outbreak, you're going to find it faster.
Speaker B:You're going to find faster days faster.
Speaker B:That means you're going to have days of people not being exposed once you find it.
Speaker B:So you're going, you.
Speaker B:Yes, I would say you're going to save Lives, you know, and so, I mean, just the math, simple math should tell you so and so.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker B:And I think, you know, you'll be able to, you know, I, you know, I think I've told this a thousand times is with this is that you'll be able to get your, you know, go take your, your, your assessment or go take your sample, get results.
Speaker A:Take.
Speaker B:Remedial action, take corrective actions and then confirm your corrective actions with another sample by the time you can get results for your first round.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Using the other methods, you know, and so it's, it's, it's a win, win for everyone when it comes to, you know, Legionella.
Speaker A:Would you say, Rob, that explain to me, you know, tell me about their, their vision there, because it sounds like to me that they're very futuristic as well, because obviously they've integrated AI.
Speaker A:But tell me more about Micah's vision and why you and, and Dave decided to like, share in that vision.
Speaker B:You know, it's one of those things where Sam, who is the original person behind it all, or at least one of the couple of people that's behind it, came up with, with a process to be able to, you know.
Speaker A:Put.
Speaker B:It sugar, allow sugar to be metabolized and to be exhibited on, on, on Legionella pneumophila, you know, on the outer membrane.
Speaker B:And that is what it was all behind.
Speaker B:And it just kind of sparked them saying, well, if we could do this, how can we get this?
Speaker B:We'll attach something to it and then we could have AI Because AI is so great with optics today.
Speaker B:And with AI, we'll be able to get it, to recognize it.
Speaker B:And they just had this vision.
Speaker B:And that's the thing about them is that they're visionaries.
Speaker B:They don't think, oh, that just can't be done.
Speaker B:They're thinking, how can we get it done?
Speaker B:And all of them seem to be that kind of mentality.
Speaker B:Everybody within that organization is just like, we don't say, oh, that just can't be done.
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:That reminds me, Rob, that's not the hen.
Speaker A:That's like the Henry Ford effect.
Speaker A:Remember when he.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:When he went to do the eight piston and the eight, you know, cylinder engine and it can't be done, can't be done.
Speaker A:And he was like, it can be.
Speaker A:And we're going to find a way and don't come out in that room until it's, until you've solved it.
Speaker A:And they did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And because he was a visionary yeah, and these, and, and Diamond Dex is definitely has that, that mentality of there's nothing they, they're not going to be able to do.
Speaker B:They, you know, and it's just, I mean, this is where I think it's kind of, kind of where I'm sure like with Ford, you have a lot of people pushing back because they're saying that's not possible.
Speaker A:Well, that's it.
Speaker A:You had, you had Henry Ford's.
Speaker A:Some of the, the engineers was like, it's, it's impossible.
Speaker A:It's not going to happen.
Speaker B:It's impossible.
Speaker B:And so I think with, with Diamond Decks and with Micah, especially Micah Vance, I think some people are kind of like, okay, where, where's the catch?
Speaker B:This, this just can't be possible.
Speaker B:You know, what, what's, you know, there has to be something wrong because it seems like, you know, it seems like anything that's come out, especially dealing with Legionella, there, there, there's, there's a. Yeah, but, and really we're having a hard time finding that with this system.
Speaker A:What fascinates me as well, Rob, is that you mentioned that they were so futuristic in their thinking and their vision that they brought in AI.
Speaker A:Now obviously AI is a huge thing at the moment, but there's also risks associated and we've talked about this in HC3, there's risk with a data centers.
Speaker A:But how did they decide to integrate this AI and what exactly do you understand that the AI is doing from its, its implementation to detect in that pathogen?
Speaker B:So what it's done is basically they, they've taught it, they've taught it what Legionella with a, at a certain time of growth, with, within a certain process, that certain process of.
Speaker B:That they implemented within this, whether it be chemical, you know, biological, increasing time, you know, both lag, you know, cutting down lag phase and all these different things they've taught the machine.
Speaker B:They basically taught the machine to recognize what Legionella with the specific fluorescence would look at at first look like at 48 Hours and Legionella pneumophila.
Speaker B:And so it, they taught it over thousands and thousands of samples showing it that this is correct, that is incorrect, and then it learning and then confirming that it's learning and that it's learned that I was going to ask what it looks like.
Speaker A:I was going to ask you if it was continuing to learn because obviously.
Speaker B:Once, yeah, once it's in the machine, it's no longer learning.
Speaker B:It's still set, but they're continually working on it and, and they're Always making sure that it hasn't.
Speaker B:That it doesn't devolve, it doesn't.
Speaker B:And if there's other organisms, like one of the things that they.
Speaker B:They were talking about was, you know, there's another method that has problems with pseudomons and, you know, with some types of pseudomos.
Speaker B:And so they got.
Speaker B:They were like, oh, wow.
Speaker B:Well, we got to make sure that the machine recognizes that that's not Legionella like the other system, the other.
Speaker A:I find that fascinating that they're actually trying to discern between the pathogens as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And they tested it and tested it a lot and showed that, no, it does not recognize Pseudomonas as Legionella, especially in this specific.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Species.
Speaker B:And so they, they, they, they really.
Speaker B:That's insane.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:It's almost like they, they're like, hey, look, we came up with this great idea.
Speaker B:Let's try a blanket.
Speaker A:I. I love what we can do to.
Speaker B:To mess with it.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you can come up with something, give it to us.
Speaker B:Because we're going to try to see if we can because, you know, they.
Speaker B:They're standing behind it and they want to make sure that nobody's going to come to them and say, it did this or it did that.
Speaker B:And they haven't.
Speaker B:Nobody has.
Speaker B:Knock on wood.
Speaker B:Obviously, nothing is perfect, but we have seen this thing in action and seen hundreds of samples that it's taken.
Speaker B:And it's amazing.
Speaker A:Before I get to your training and get to you going out and then teaching people that come to us at HC3 who want to get it, I want to talk a little bit because I read something recently.
Speaker A:I should have noted it down.
Speaker A:As Dave's always saying to me, you know, if you see it noted, I never.
Speaker A:And it was Legionella haemophila.
Speaker A:It was a serotype 3.
Speaker A:And there was a death that was occurred because of this serotype.
Speaker A:And so this is different to, you know, one Legion Pneumophila one.
Speaker A:And my question then is, is the mica system going to be able to identify the different serotypes of Legionella?
Speaker A:Because obviously there seems to be some kind of metamorphosis of the pathogen that's becoming a different serotype and getting stronger and causing health concerns.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So at this point, it cannot discern between the serotypes.
Speaker B:It can just tell you it's Legionella mela.
Speaker B:But you can continue.
Speaker B:This is the great thing about this system and the method is that it doesn't.
Speaker B:It doesn't destroy the colonies.
Speaker B:So they're still viable.
Speaker B:So you can actually still culture them, continue to culture them and then you can do the normal test that you would do on them to determine their serial, like we do with ISO.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So getting into that.
Speaker A:So obviously it, I guess is probably something they'll continually keep developing and maybe they'll get some breakthrough with certain things.
Speaker A:But I mean, what they've done at the moment is remarkable.
Speaker A:And so let's get into a little bit of the training then.
Speaker A:So when you were there and you were learning about the system, not just because obviously you want to get to the point where you're going to be training another one, what was the most important factors that in the training that you learned or you thought, okay, this is, I got to get this done because this is going to be important for people out there, you know, within the industry.
Speaker B:I think it, you know, the, the, it's funny, the, the most important stuff that you really need to know is, is just the steps, and the steps are pretty much it.
Speaker B:The one thing that I think most people freak out about, I know when we were doing the training and when I witnessed other people doing training is, you know, you don't want bubbles under the, you know, people are going to be like, what bubble?
Speaker B:So when you're to put it on the plate and everything and do stuff, you don't, you know, you put some solution down and you, when you put the membrane down on, on the plate or onto the cassettes for it to read, you don't want bubbles under there because it, because it, you know, it will put it, it will make an issue for the machine to read it or the nutrients won't get to the organism in, in the membrane.
Speaker B:And there's all kinds of other issues.
Speaker B:So you just, that's the biggest thing that people were freaking out.
Speaker B:I mean, that's the, that is what people were most concerned about.
Speaker B:Outside of that, it's really not, it's not hard.
Speaker B:If you, if anybody's ever done some type of ISO, right, Sampling where they did filtration, you know, did through filtration, not direct plate, they're going to have no problem with this.
Speaker B:The only thing that they'll have to do that they normally not really too concerned about is making sure there's no bubbles under the membrane, that's pretty much it.
Speaker A:So did you get, did you get to test it?
Speaker A:Did you get to do that yourself?
Speaker A:So like taking and then getting the bubbles, did you event.
Speaker A:Did you have any bubbles or did you get it right all the time?
Speaker B:Well, I got it right all the time.
Speaker A:You're gonna say that anyway.
Speaker B:You know, the thing is, is that.
Speaker B:And they show you how to get rid of the balls.
Speaker B:I mean that's the thing.
Speaker B:You're going to get them.
Speaker B:But you know, the thing is, thing that really reinforced.
Speaker B:I mean there's the process they really reinforce and so repetitiveness.
Speaker B:I mean I know that the lab that's using it right now in the west, when they first started, you know, they're oh my God.
Speaker B:You know, then once now you talk to them, they're like, this is easy, this is easy.
Speaker B:It's easy.
Speaker B:And, and you know, it's, it's.
Speaker B:There's nothing really difficult about it.
Speaker B:You know, you're not, you not have to really sit there and look, you're not the one doing a reading of the samples.
Speaker B:The machine does it.
Speaker B:You know, all you're doing is just prepping it.
Speaker B:And so it's a step wise.
Speaker B:It's not a huge amount of steps, you know, and so it's, you know, the thing is, is there.
Speaker B:The steps are a little bit different between each type of solution.
Speaker B:And so when I was there I learned, learned all of them.
Speaker B:And so there's some steps that are different, but if you've done them 10 times, you could, they're.
Speaker A:You get it.
Speaker B:They're, they're, they're.
Speaker A:And is the solutions is it, you know, pair different type of bacteria so for different pathogens, different solutions.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:And they call solutions.
Speaker B:So it's just a different way of, of doing it.
Speaker B:So, so if you're using say for example, if you're doing it for the bacillus organism, they, where they're looking for.
Speaker B:Oh shoot, I always murder the name.
Speaker B:So I hate when you're saying so it's one that is spoilage for, for juices and it requires a specific type of filtering and incubation depending on the method that you normally would use.
Speaker B:So there's a lot of different things that you would learn if you are doing that solution.
Speaker B:Whatever organism you're looking for, there is some differences between the organisms on how to prep them.
Speaker B:There's not a huge amount.
Speaker B:So it's not like you have to completely learn something completely new.
Speaker B:There's just some steps you might have to add or some steps that are removed that are, that are not required.
Speaker B:So outside of that, I mean it's again, it's nothing that anybody who works in a lab could not do.
Speaker A:What about someone, what about someone that comes to you, Robin?
Speaker A:They're they're not working in a lab, but obviously they're, they're a consultant and they're out there, they're doing tests, testing how does it benefit them?
Speaker A:And do they essentially just send it to the lab or.
Speaker A:If they're working for an organization, let's say them, the leisure industry, would they have one of these machines in there?
Speaker A:Is this strictly for the labs?
Speaker B:No, I mean, it depends on the organization.
Speaker B:I'm sure there might be some organizations that take a lot of samples and it would benefit them to have it on site.
Speaker A:That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker B:The cruise lines and.
Speaker B:Yes, and you know, it would be beneficial and I do know that they did put one on a ship and I think it's being tried right now.
Speaker B:Trials right now.
Speaker A:That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And would this also be looking in, say, maybe the hotel industry or even on airplanes.
Speaker B:Yeah, hotels, maybe.
Speaker B:Large, large organizations.
Speaker B:Complexes.
Speaker B:Healthcare complexes.
Speaker B:Large ones.
Speaker A:Hospitals, of course, hospitals.
Speaker A:Because Pseudomonas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not just Legionella, but Pseudonymonas is rife in hospitals.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So yeah, all of those would be something that it would very much benefit them outside of just a commercial lab.
Speaker B:But yeah, I think that those could definitely be put anywhere.
Speaker B:And the training is very, very, you know, you don't need to have a PhD or a degree in microbiology to.
Speaker A:So I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker A:I said what, what, what does the training entail?
Speaker A:And so if you're going.
Speaker B:Two days, two days, two days of training and you will be sufficient, you will be efficient at this.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not, that's not.
Speaker A:And is that what you did you do the two that you did the two days training while you were there or is that what you, you would have practiced somebody.
Speaker B:I did, I did, we did training for all the solutions.
Speaker B:So, so.
Speaker B:And then also with Legionella, I was onboarding with the, the lab in, in the U.S. i was there for that training, those two days worth of training also.
Speaker B:So I've, especially with Legionella, I've had two times the training for that.
Speaker A:Because you're going to be gone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so it was, yeah, it was two days and you know, and it was hands on.
Speaker B:It was not one of those things where they just, you know, had some, you know, person up in the front of the, of the room just talking.
Speaker B:This is how you do it.
Speaker B:No, they were like, okay, this is how you do it now you do it and, and you know, and you keep on doing it until you, you do it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think that also, that also signifies what the company is about, what, what Diamondex is about, what Sam's team is about to actually make everybody hands on, do it over like repetition, do it over and over again and get it right.
Speaker A:I know, remember, you know, days, you know, when I trained in close protection and we trained, we trained, we trained, we trained, we trained on drills, we trained on drills, diamond, you know, formation, you continually trained.
Speaker A:I guess it's the same thing without repetition.
Speaker A:With that constant training, you're getting it into a natural response.
Speaker A:You get it into your head.
Speaker A:If you go to someone, what type of qualifications you say you don't need a PhD, but what kind of background someone who's going to be involved in this in either the healthcare industry, I mean a lab is, we all, you know, they're qualified in the lab.
Speaker A:But the healthcare industry or the leisure industry, what would you expect someone who's operating this to be?
Speaker A:At what level?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, obviously if you're, if, you know, if it's in a lab, I mean you would expect that somebody would have, be at lab tech at least or something like that.
Speaker A:They're gonna know.
Speaker B:But to tell you the truth, if, if you can, if you can read and write and do simple math where you can pipette something into and do some simple measurements.
Speaker A:You'Re good.
Speaker B:You could do this.
Speaker B:It is nothing that it doesn't require any special training like previous training like, like you don't have to be a microbiologist.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker A:So I can read and write.
Speaker A:Obviously I might not talk the right way.
Speaker B:You, you are qualified.
Speaker B:You are qualified.
Speaker A:You can do it.
Speaker A:You can do it.
Speaker B:You can do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean it, I don't want to say it's, it's absolute idiot proof, but it's pretty close.
Speaker B:I mean, me, I mean obviously you can mess things up if you spill something or you know, drop something, obviously.
Speaker B:But outside of that, it's, you know, it's very, it's really simple.
Speaker B:A couple, you do a little bit of pipettes, you don't have to worry about titrations and these kind of things.
Speaker B:And, and you know, that's, that's not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you don't have to worry about, oh well, what, what organism am I looking at?
Speaker B:And that's where most of the training really comes from for like ISO and some of the other methods is can you recognize what the organism is.
Speaker B:With this method you don't have to have that skill.
Speaker A:And I notice as well from the data that gives out and the AI detection and I mean, you have imagery.
Speaker B:That'S the great thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, it takes an image of it.
Speaker B:So yeah, it takes hundreds of, of photos of this.
Speaker B:It takes hundreds of photos of this, you know, this membrane that has the organism on it that's grown to a micro colony size and it analyzes every single spot, every single pixel on there.
Speaker B:It analyzes.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:And it can do it, it can do all 300 photos and analyze them and give you a result within a minute.
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker A:I almost want to test.
Speaker A:It's like even me sitting here now, I'm amazed at what I've read, what I've studied and stuff like that.
Speaker A:And there's still a part of me, Rob, that's like, it's too good to be true.
Speaker A:It sounds too good to be true.
Speaker A:It seems to be total fail safe here.
Speaker A:So is there a downside at all?
Speaker B:We're trying to find, you know, as HD3.
Speaker B:We're trying to find it.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker B:You know, we're trying to find it and we haven't found it yet.
Speaker B:You know, obviously it is not a perfect system.
Speaker B:I mean, if it was really, really awesome, you know, everybody be, you know, hey, look, get done in five minutes and we'd have all the information, serotype everything.
Speaker A:But, you know, do you think it'll even, I mean, it's rapid detection at what, 40 hours?
Speaker A:It's rapid detection.
Speaker A:Legionella culture.
Speaker B:And this is the thing, and this is where I would say to consultants, if you submit your sample to some that's using the Mica advance, you can be assured that if you took that sample to another lab that's using the Mica advanced into another lab that's taken and using the micro advanced and to a different lab that's using the micro advanced, you would get roughly within, you know, what would be a biological, you know, significant, the numbers would match.
Speaker B:And I would challenge you to do that with ISO.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Go ahead and take it.
Speaker B:Take a sample, submit it to five different labs and see how close they are to each other, which we know.
Speaker A:Is not going to be close because there's, there's been so many examples.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And you know, and we've experienced that, I mean, we've taken side by side samples with CDC and with others, and it depends on what lab you send it to, to what kind of results you're going to get to get with ISO.
Speaker B:And so that's why with this, I don't care what, I don't, I don't care what lab you send it to.
Speaker B:If they use the MICA system, the MICA advanced, you're going to get a number that is accurate.
Speaker A:I think it's important, no, Rob, for us to make it clear that this is like, this is a little bit of fomo.
Speaker A:You fear of missing out for those that are running labs that are out there.
Speaker A:You gotta get on the bandwagon now because other labs are going to be ahead of the game and consultants are going to be choosing their lab to go to.
Speaker B:Yeah, and it used to be.
Speaker B:Because I know for us, I know for HD3, you know, there's labs that we use and there's labs that we don't because we've, we, we have seen the difference in between labs when it comes to ISO.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So with this we see that there, there's, there's no difference with, with Micah.
Speaker B:I don't care if you are quote a good lab or you're a bad lab.
Speaker B:The machine is the one that's going to be, it doesn't matter, you know how well you can you follow the ISO.
Speaker B:Because the problem with the ISO is that Nobody follows it 100.
Speaker B:They all have their own different versions of it.
Speaker B:Because if you ask the labs how many plates do you run?
Speaker B:Each one is probably going to tell you a different amount, you know, and, and, and how do you prep it?
Speaker B:Where do you get your, your media and where you get this and this.
Speaker B:And it's always different, you know, and so you're going to get different results.
Speaker B:When it comes to ISO with what.
Speaker A:Would you say, Rob, is the accuracy level to this?
Speaker A:Like if you, if you measure it in a percentage.
Speaker B:97, 98, 98, 97, 98.
Speaker B:Some other.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah, that is quite, that's quite a bold statement.
Speaker A:That's quite bold.
Speaker A:And they've backed that up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, they've proven it.
Speaker A:Let's talk a little bit about the financial implications because what I, what I tend to, not about buying the system or getting it into the laboratory, but I would suggest, or I would consider that this is, whilst there's going to be an outlay, this is going to be a potential money saver, not only in time and effectiveness, but obviously time remediation, because you get the, it should have a good return on investment.
Speaker A:And also potentially, and I don't know if we've ever talked about this, and I certainly haven't talked about this to David as well, is that there may be potential positive legal implications that would reduce the possibility of Law, you know, lawsuits.
Speaker B:I'm sure, I'm sure there probably could be.
Speaker B:Exactly how.
Speaker B:I don't, you know, I don't know because, you know, when it comes to litigation that stuff gets a little weird on why people sue about certain things and don't about others, you know, and I, especially in the industry I'm in, there's a lot of times I'm like.
Speaker A:Why are you can sneeze the wrong way and get snoozed, sneeze and get sued.
Speaker B:You know, it's kind of like why are you going after that?
Speaker B:No, why are you going after that person?
Speaker B:You know, especially when it comes to exposures and stuff like that.
Speaker B:It's like they're not even the ones that, you know, that caused the exposure.
Speaker B:They're just the ones that maybe didn't necessarily stop it.
Speaker B:But you know, you're not going after the one that actually caused the exposure.
Speaker B:You're going to have the one that had a potential chance of stopping the exposure.
Speaker B:And so I'm like, I don't, I.
Speaker B:Half the time I don't understand why they go after who they go after.
Speaker B:I think it always has to do with who has the deepest pockets.
Speaker A:But that's exactly what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:At the end of the day.
Speaker A:But I suppose though, this system has a potential money saving implication to it in order to tight the operation, really time to deploy.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't, you know, I don't know exactly.
Speaker B:I would say this, that the cost for the samples just say the cost for the samples are going to be equivalent or less than what you're paying for.
Speaker B:ISO.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're going to get it much faster.
Speaker B:And so I would say this is, and when you say about litigation and you're saying saving lives, I think that's where it would save somebody a lot of money is because either you're going to be paying for, you know, two people or you're going to be paying for seven people.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That is going to save you money.
Speaker A:And, and in the long run it's saving you.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:This is who I think should.
Speaker B:And this is my own personal opinion.
Speaker B:I don't see how insurance companies would not insist on, on companies using MICA because it's so specific that insurances are the ones that are paying these big.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Big bills.
Speaker B:And I don't understand why they would.
Speaker B:Not a lot of them.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:I've seen a case, we had a case, you know, I spoke about before that where the insurance company only covers Legionella nomophila.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So why are you looking for anything else?
Speaker B:And plus, you know, which David I know we'll be talking about and sometime fairly soon about, you know, new report that came out that they've looked at all the cases in and you know that have happened.
Speaker B:All the outbreaks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's only.
Speaker B:And 99 of them are LP.
Speaker B:So I understand why insurance companies aren't paying for the other stuff because why you, why are you worrying about an organism that doesn't cause disease?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm paying all this money.
Speaker A:You know, it's funny, I never thought of it, Rob.
Speaker A:I never thought that this would have a massive implication as well in the insurance industry.
Speaker A:And now it's making me think that it is something that we should be pushing towards insurance companies, that they bring this into their operation and make it mandatory.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you're going to do monitoring that they're going to be covering.
Speaker B:If you, if there's an outbreak and they're covering it, I don't see why they would not request you to do the assessment with MICA.
Speaker A:Especially when you've got 97, 98% efficacy on it.
Speaker A:I mean that's.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker B:And it's accurate.
Speaker B:And that's the thing about it.
Speaker B:You're not going to find another method that's better, you know.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It won't give you the species.
Speaker B:But why are you worrying about species, which I know David will definitely jump on that one.
Speaker B:I know you guys are gonna be talking about that one because he's like, why are we looking at species?
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:And that's why I tried to, I've tried a couple of times.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:What about the species about it?
Speaker A:Can I identify the species?
Speaker A:No, I get it.
Speaker A:You don't really care what the species is.
Speaker A:It just needs to identify it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You need to, you need to know which one is the one causing the disease.
Speaker B:And let's find that one.
Speaker B:Now if you're in a healthcare facility, you know, it might be a little bit different.
Speaker B:You know, those are, those are a little bit more susceptible to the non vigilant pneumophila.
Speaker B:But even those still 80, 90% of those are even LP.
Speaker B:So you know, you definitely would definitely want to use this even in the healthcare system or even in the long term care and places like that because it's going to let you know that you have a problem.
Speaker B:Hopefully before you know you have a.
Speaker A:Problem, you Know, you know, let's talk a little bit.
Speaker A:I want to talk a little bit because I find it interesting and I suppose I'm actually wanting to do this just from my.
Speaker A:Because my own interest, you know, geeking out myself is pseudomonas and NTMS.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Obviously we're focusing on LP1 because that's what the problem.
Speaker A:But there is an issue with pseudomonas and NTM in the health care industry as well.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I know that it's not, it's not supposed to be reported, yada yada.
Speaker A:But I take it though that the industry or the health care industry has to really look at this as a potential.
Speaker A:And bringing in something like mica that can do this is almost putting layers of bulletproof.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:On their operation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now, Now, Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Especially, you know, like pseudomonas, it could definitely help out.
Speaker B:I mean, they don't have NTMs.
Speaker B:It can't do NTMs yet.
Speaker B:I don't want to say yet.
Speaker A:You know, I like how you say yeah, actually, because that's a, that's a.
Speaker B:Possibly I would say, I would like to think that they will.
Speaker B:You know, intiums are just a unique organism.
Speaker B:But I could say with the technology that they have, it would not surprise me in a year or two that they have it that they could get it from usually like the 50 day mark that usually takes for these things 50 days to a week or two.
Speaker A:See, that's, that's what I'm finding fascinating because you're, I mean we have a saying in Scotland, you know, blessed is he who bloweth his own trumpet.
Speaker A:But you're blowing their trumpet because of how forward thinking and how dynamic they are with it.
Speaker A:And obviously the AI is developing, they're teaching, they're learning.
Speaker A:I would suggest that this is how it's going to develop.
Speaker A:This is how I can see it developing, that eventually it's going to be able to detect NTMs.
Speaker B:I would think.
Speaker B:So they won't say that that's what they're looking at or anything to us.
Speaker A:I shall probe him when we are chatting next.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:And, and Sam, Sam's a good guy and he's gonna smile at you and.
Speaker A:Say.
Speaker B:You know, so yeah, they gotta be, They've gotta be.
Speaker A:They've got to be because that's a growing concern.
Speaker A:NTMs.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And I'm telling you.
Speaker B:And if they could.
Speaker B:I mean, I think knowing Sam and knowing his crew, that looks like a big mountain and they seem like the type of people like, oh, the bigger, the mountain, the more we want to climb it.
Speaker B:And so I would you get that.
Speaker A:Impression from their team that like it was like we're going to just try and crack everything.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're, they're like, yeah, give us a challenge and tell.
Speaker B:It was almost like give us a challenge and tell us we can't do it.
Speaker A:I love, I think I was brilliant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean he, he has definitely.
Speaker B:That's one thing.
Speaker A:He seems to have this idea that you tell me I can't do it.
Speaker A:I'm going to show you that I can.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And the thing is that he has not an error about him and none of his team does either.
Speaker B:That's what's amazing.
Speaker B:You know, usually with people that are that brilliant, usually have a couple that might be a little, you know, have a little hair to them, you know, a little, you know.
Speaker B:No, none, nothing.
Speaker B:Very modest.
Speaker B:Like if you look at him, he won't even tell you that he's a PhD.
Speaker B:He won't, he won't.
Speaker B:None of them, none of them will say hey look, I'm.
Speaker B:None of them will say their PhDs.
Speaker B:None of them will.
Speaker B:But if they introduce themselves and say, hey look, this is, this is who I am.
Speaker B:They're not going to say, they're not going to say anything.
Speaker B:They don't, they don't, you know, put, put some type of facade out there saying hey look, I'm.
Speaker B:And so yeah, they're.
Speaker B:And all of them are that way.
Speaker B:They're very modest people but man, they're hard working and smart.
Speaker B:Smart.
Speaker B:I mean I've seen some of the technology and because I've been at the benefit of being able to see their whole workings and how they come up with these things and the process that they did to come up with these things and it's amazing.
Speaker B:Even the machine itself.
Speaker B:Engineer Eric guy.
Speaker A:Oh, you've got to chat.
Speaker B:Eric is the engineer that came up with the, the system.
Speaker B:I don't think he's the only one.
Speaker B:And he, I mean he showed me layer by layer.
Speaker B:I mean he has it to the screw.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:On how this thing's designed.
Speaker B:I mean and he's come up with like the, the auto feeder that because they can do 18 samples at, you know, at a time.
Speaker B:The auto feeder, he designed that from scratch.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:That was not, I mean as much.
Speaker A:That thing was that a bigger volume than doing, doing the testing in any other way.
Speaker A:18 samples at one time.
Speaker B:Well, this is the thing that machine can do 500 samples in eight hours.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And spit out the results of all those samples.
Speaker B:That is, that's, that's.
Speaker B:You could not.
Speaker B:You could not hire enough people probably to be able to do it at that kind of pace with the I.
Speaker A:That's nice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because they're only spending like 4.
Speaker B:I mean, Fanny, who's the person that came up with the one for the general, helped with the one.
Speaker B:She's the one that really spearheaded the Legionella portion of Micah.
Speaker B:I think she said she could do it less than four minutes, but the total handle time for a sample from beginning to end is about four minutes.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:With ISO, a good lab tech is probably around 20.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:Somebody's been doing it for decades.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you know, and I've seen some of them up as long as 30, 40 minutes could theoretically be 10 times faster than.
Speaker A:Well, that's more.
Speaker A:It's more than 10 times, isn't it?
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, you know, you don't have to have, you know, that's the great thing about is you don't have to have a highly educated individual to do this.
Speaker B:And they don't have to spend near as much time per sample.
Speaker B:So it's a great thing.
Speaker B:And even when I was doing it, I was probably doing it probably around six minutes, seven minutes, maybe a sample.
Speaker A:That's still remarkably fast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you're not alast.
Speaker B:Going real slow.
Speaker A:Making sure you don't get the bubbles in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Make sure those bubbles.
Speaker A:Yeah, you mentioned that.
Speaker A:And I think back to when I've got the iPhone and I'm trying to put on a new glass cover to it, and I only.
Speaker B:Like, that's harder.
Speaker B:That's harder.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker B:You know, that's harder because, you know, you get, you know, spread it out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, you get the bubble and you're like, I can't.
Speaker A:I can't get the bubble.
Speaker A:And then you get really annoyed with it.
Speaker A:And then you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When you take it off and you snap the freaking thing and then you go to your next one.
Speaker A:You get enough.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Your fourth one finally got.
Speaker A:Yes, I know the amount of freaking covers I've gone over because I just.
Speaker A:The bubbles are there, so I imagine it's like that, you know, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so the amount of time that.
Speaker B:That people have to spend on this is.
Speaker B:Is really not much at all.
Speaker B:And on any of the solutions.
Speaker B:On any of the solutions.
Speaker B:Now you have the.
Speaker B:The mica highlight, which does a total Viable count.
Speaker B:That machine, it does take a little bit longer.
Speaker B:It can only do I want to say how many.
Speaker B:I think it can only.
Speaker B:It doesn't.
Speaker B:It does like a sample every four minutes or something like that.
Speaker B:Four or five minutes.
Speaker B:And because it is a little bit different type of system and that one is even amazing.
Speaker B:That one is even amazing.
Speaker B:It doesn't use fluorescence, it uses just white light.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:And it is that.
Speaker B:It's amazing.
Speaker B:What they have done with these systems is amazing.
Speaker B:And that one is like even for total viable count, you know, Normally you're waiting 72 hours for results.
Speaker B:This is 24 to 48.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it just depends on the, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's amazing.
Speaker A:Tell me about the.
Speaker A:Because obviously there's a maintenance.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Tell me about the maintenance.
Speaker A:Maybe the labs or the, you know, consultants are using on site would need to know about.
Speaker B:The maintenance is, is very minimal.
Speaker B:The, the machine just goes and goes and goes now every year you should do.
Speaker B:Make sure like you know, it's calibrated, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And we would do that for you that just to make sure.
Speaker B:And if it's off India let us know and then it's just an adjustment.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And the only thing that would even need any, you know, unless something breaks.
Speaker B:Obviously then.
Speaker B:Obviously then that's a whole different situation then it's probably not functional.
Speaker B:But they've done thousands and thousands and thousands of samples on these machines and it's been fine.
Speaker B:They, they, they don't they.
Speaker B:Well, they've done really good job of building these things.
Speaker B:You know, not to say, you know, somebody can't break one.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But anything can be broken.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, I mean I'm the, I'm the guy that's going to throw something down that's unbreakable and knowing my luck is going to fall off the table and break.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:And it does have sensitive optics so you know, throwing it around, drawing around is probably not the best thing for it.
Speaker A:But it looks fairly small.
Speaker A:It doesn't look like it's a massive unit.
Speaker B:No, it's a little bit bigger than this.
Speaker B:So it's, it's not huge by any means.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:And I've seen it taken apart and you know, I've seen every bit of it and it's, it is.
Speaker A:That must have been fascinating to see.
Speaker B:It was, it was definitely a high tech and they, and they make that thing from, from hand.
Speaker B:You know, they, they.
Speaker A:Everyone.
Speaker A:Every one of them are made, Every.
Speaker B:One of them is made by Hand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they have a long QC process for each machine.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It goes through the.
Speaker B:The motion of getting handmade to going through qaqc.
Speaker B:And if there's any adjustments that have to be made, then make them.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's an amazing machine.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker A:I'm so glad that you went over and you spent time there and got to actually see not everything from scratch, but to see how passionate the company and everything is.
Speaker A:And now that you can bring that passion back from France, which Dave and I noticed that there was no French presence that came back from France.
Speaker A:From you, from anybody.
Speaker A:Gifts, French, None.
Speaker A:I'm sure you.
Speaker A:You must have brought something back for.
Speaker A:For the team.
Speaker B:I. I did, but I don't think it was French.
Speaker B:I was being.
Speaker B:Let's wait.
Speaker B:My whole time there was either in my hotel room or at working with them.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I mean, Sam did take me to place a restaurant on the Mediterranean.
Speaker B:That was beautiful.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:And they looked after you then.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, they did.
Speaker B:But it was.
Speaker B:That was it.
Speaker B:I didn't go sightseeing.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I had a good time, you.
Speaker A:Know, I did have a good time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love that you went over your work.
Speaker A:And I think that's the difference that people can see in this, is that it's a passion and it's not a job.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:And so if you had a good time on that learning, because you're going to take that.
Speaker A:So I guess, you know, when people come to HC3 to get this system implemented, you're going to be the one going to be implementing it and teaching them and training them on that.
Speaker A:So it's imperative that you share that passion and that excitement, which clearly, from our conversation or discussion, you definitely have that passion and excitement for what's happening.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think I kind of caught that from them and their passion.
Speaker B:It is really infectious.
Speaker B:And the system is.
Speaker B:You know, when you see somebody put a lot of passion, especially people of talent that put a lot of passion.
Speaker B:You know, it's like an artist.
Speaker B:You know, when you see a really good artist.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Who is passionate about their art, have huge amount of passion about their art.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Produce their art.
Speaker B:It's amazing.
Speaker B:And that's pretty much what this is like.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker B:Their artistry has produced.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Something that is amazing.
Speaker A:That's fascinating.
Speaker A:Rob, thank you for joining me tonight.
Speaker A:I think, you know, it's been a great conversation and it's been fun and let everybody know about contacting you, particularly for mica and you know how they can work with you and the training that they will receive.
Speaker A:Just give, give everybody an idea about how it would, how it would go.
Speaker B:So basically what would happen is if a lab contacted us and was interested in the MICA advance, we can obviously, you know, give them all the information because, you know, we, you know, people are not just going, hey, look, give me one.
Speaker B:We will answer any questions that you have and if, if you are interested, we can, you know, for at least for a short bit now, we will even let you try it out, let you see how it is.
Speaker B:And try before you buy.
Speaker B:Yes, right, drive.
Speaker B:Yeah, drive it before you buy.
Speaker B:And we will even give you some of the media for free to try it out.
Speaker B:And because we, we know you're grown like we know you are and so what would it take is we, I would even come up, train, train your staff on how to use it and even give you some.
Speaker B:We would also verify that you can use it.
Speaker B:So we would show you how to use it with samples that we know have a specific amount of Legionella pneumophila in it.
Speaker B:And then over time, within a week or so, without, after training, after training you would also use these, another sample of that's been prepared that you would verify that you can actually still use it.
Speaker B:We'd look to see what the numbers you come up with and then you can use it and verify, validate it, do all the things you try to validate, that the process works compared to your own ISO, which be prepared.
Speaker B:That is probably going to show you that your ISO is suspect.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that for all labs, but there's labs out there that I.
Speaker A:Would say, yeah, pointing no fingers.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to point any fingers.
Speaker B:And, but, and that's, I think that's the thing too is that some of these labs that I, I think, you know, their ISO is probably not the greatest in the world.
Speaker B:This definitely will level that playing playing field.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we would come out and then, then after three months you say, you know, you like it, you buy it and if not we'll take it back.
Speaker B:And so yeah, if you want to check out that system though, please just go ahead and go to our website, which I think Shot will.
Speaker B:You will.
Speaker A:I will, yes, I do my hc3fl.com and I'll give you a little shout out on that later on.
Speaker A:But yeah, go to the website.
Speaker A:Ladies and gentlemen, hc3fl.com contact Rob or David, but more than likely contact Rob because he's the guy that's going to be implementing it and he's the guy that can tell you all about it.
Speaker A:And yeah, if you want to try it, try it before you buy it.
Speaker A:I kind of sound as if I'm going to be leaving one of these TV commercials.
Speaker A:Look.
Speaker A:And if you buy it within the next 24 hours, we'll send you not one, but two.
Speaker A:Obviously we won't do that, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker A:We're not going to.
Speaker B:But you know, for some of the earlier adopters, we, we have definitely.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, helped them out and.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So the earlier you get on this, probably the faster you can put it out and start utilizing it because I do know that people are interested in it and so.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:We've already.
Speaker A:It's making us stuff in the industry.
Speaker A:We've already seen that, you know, information that we're putting out there, press release we're putting out there.
Speaker A:We've got a lot more talks coming up as well, guys.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Join myself and Rob and Dave and Sam.
Speaker A:We're coming up with a great discussion soon and one of the labs.
Speaker A:That's going to be great.
Speaker A:Yeah, I am as well because I'm also going to be probing Sam.
Speaker A:I told him that, remember the other day, I'm going to probing Sam on the story and how he's cooking his steak and came up with the idea.
Speaker A:Brilliant guy.
Speaker B:Brilliant guy.
Speaker A:He is actually really nice.
Speaker A:I'm looking forward.
Speaker A:We're doing this tomorrow, our conversation.
Speaker A:Ladies and gentlemen, you may not get this until a bit later because we've got to edit this and do everything else with it, but certainly join us.
Speaker A:There's going to be a lot more of talks and discussions and information coming up and also some consultants that's coming on that we've got planned that we're going to be talking all about it.
Speaker A:And just again, contact Rob for any questions you have.
Speaker A:If you've listened to this and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I got a question, I've got an idea.
Speaker A:Or I want to know what he said.
Speaker A:How can I implement it?
Speaker A:Drop us a line on the website httfl.com you can connect with us even on LinkedIn.
Speaker A:You, you'll see Rob on LinkedIn as well.
Speaker A:You can connect with him, ask him any questions here.
Speaker A:We will be delighted to help you with that and, and answer any questions you have.
Speaker A:Rob, it's been a pleasure having you on tonight, my friend.
Speaker A:It's been good, good fun.
Speaker A:A lot more coming up.
Speaker A:Looking forward to getting Sam and Florence and everybody else on as well and hearing about your next escapades.
Speaker A:When you start going out and teaching people, we'll get you back on and we'll have you chatting about all the teaching and the project management.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker B:I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker A:You can tell your passion's there, that's for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm excited about this and I think, I really do think everybody should be excited about it because in our industry, we've needed something like this for a while.
Speaker A:Well, you know, even since I've come in and working in the industry for a short space of time, I've seen the problems at firsthand that it has solved and that can only be a good thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us this evening.
Speaker A:If you're listening to this at any time in the morning, the afternoon, anytime, Have a wonderful day.
Speaker A:Have a wonderful evening.
Speaker A:Contact us again hc3fl.com.
Speaker A:This is myself, John from HC3 and Rob McNeely.
Speaker A:Keep yourself safe.
Speaker A:We'll see you the next time.
Speaker A:God bless.
Speaker A:Sa.
